Well, well. It’s been a full month since Season 4 concluded, and I have rewatched the series already. This should surprise zero people. I finally got around to making some questions up (to be fair, at least half of them are from last year’s recap anyway) and Holly and I finally got around to answering them. Then, we decided we’d talk about our answers at ALA but… we didn’t. Though I did reference The 100 so much that I think she and Sabrina were a wee bit frightened? So if I have comments, I will just put them underneath. And if Holly has comments, well, she can comment like everyone else 😉
Obviously, all the spoilers.
Die All, Die Merrily was like my fandoms clashing, and it was everything (and more!) that I could have wanted. The Hunger Games meets The 100? Yes please.
The Chosen broke my feels. It was epic in its decisions, in its emotional fortitude. It presented gray morality better than this show ever has, and that is saying a lot, because The 100 is the best at gray morality every time.
Praimfaya was the Delinquent growth episode I never knew I needed but definitely did. While I might have thrown things at the cliffhanger, it was so amazingly executed and such a perfect way to show how far each Delinquent has come.
Holly Says: Die All, Die Merrily
The one where Octavia wins the conclave. Seriously one of my favorites *ever* on this show! It was badass, emotional, and brought out some of the best in these characters. From Roan and Ilian helping Octavia to Bellamy and Kane cheering for her on the sidelines, I was a mess. SO GOOD.
Shannon Says: The Tinder Box.
Okay, none of them were bad, but this was definitely my least fave. Because this could have been actually good, had it not been Riley fucking things up. Had this been Bryan, we could have had some gut-wrenching Bryller scenes. Bellamy’s talk would have meant something. Instead we have Bellamy pretending to give a fuck about Riley, which has all the excitement of watching paint dry.
Badass Monty singlehandedly saved this episode from being a real shitshow.
Holly Says: The Other Side
Arg, I don’t even know, because there were quite a few episodes in the middle there where I felt that the show had gone downhill. But I pick the episode right after the conclave ended and everyone found out Skaikru fucked them all over (again), and they fought over who got the bunker. That one was absolute shit, and I just did not get how it did anything for this season or its characters. Clarke and Bellamy barely even TALKED about her shooting at him, so I was really disappointed in it.
Shannon Says: I fully disagree with Holly; The Other Side would be in my Top 5. But alas.
Best New Ship
Shannon Says: MILKSON. (I know that people call it “Mackson”, but I like Milkson better because it’s funnier but also it uses more of each name.)
Miller and Jackson are both awesome characters who I want to see more of all the time. I adore this ship. And we somehow got rid of Bryan in the deal, so talk about a win-win!
So much adorableness! I hope they’re married by Season 5.
Holly Says: Sea Mechanic
What ships even set sail this season? I’ve been trying to come up with one, but I’m drawing a blank. I was really into the idea of sea mechanic, does that count? :p
Shannon Says: No, no it does not 😉
Ship that Needs to Die
Shannon Says: Does Becho count?
You know this shit is being set up. I don’t even hate Hanty as much as I hate Becho. Because it doesn’t seem authentic, it seems like another plot device to keep Bellarke apart. It’s like, Gina 2.0.
Holly Says: Bellamy/Echo
LISTEN I AM NOT HERE FOR THIS. EVER. I would not mind at all if they end up becoming really good friends in space, but dear god no romance. I think there’s too much shit between them, and zero trust and chemistry, that forcing it would just make me mad. No ships for convenience sake, please! (I’m lookin’ at you too, Raven/Bellamy).
We both only approve of chucking Echo out of the Ark.
Ship (Other than Bellarke) That You NEED
Shannon Says: MURVEN. And Octylah.
I had so many ships for Raven this season, but then they all died. And Murven was one of my crackships, you know, for the angry sex? But the more I think about it, the more I like it. Sorry, Emori?
Also, I could live with some Octylah, please and thank you. O needs some love, especially since 6 years has passed since Lincoln’s death. And Niylah is the calm, rational force that she needs. DO THE THING, writers.
Holly Says: Returns from the dead?
Oh man why Shannon. I’m still sad that both Roan and Luna are dead and I can’t have any ship with them in it anymore. I REALLY WANTED SEA MECHANIC TO BE A THING. *SOBS*
Shannon Says: THE. LIST.
There were so many amazing moments (Oxymorons and The Head and the Heart being a close second), but I had to go with the list. Because not only was it beautiful and perfect, but tragic as hell.
Holly Says: Bellarke, basically
Oh jesus I can’t even pick a favorite moment. As much as there were times I wanted to stab whoever wrote the episode, there were *so many* good and heartfelt moments between the characters. But definitely finding out Clarke called Bellamy every day for six years (leave me alone I don’t care that this is kind of a cheat). And literally just every single moment between them. Let’s not forget when Clarke made the list and Bellamy wrote her name down for her. Or when they said goodbye. Or when Clarke comforted Bellamy over Octavia’s anger. ALL OF IT. Take your pick.
Um, because you love him, but it’s only Season 4?
Death You Cheered For
Shannon Says: Riley!
I have been cheering for his since at least A Lie Guarded. His character was so useless. The only decent thing he did was die.
Even in death Riley sucked, since he basically helped Jasper end Death Party.
Holly Says: Riley
Riley died, didn’t he? At least, off screen. And thank god because I disliked him a lot.
Shannon Says: Holly, Riley died onscreen. See above. And maybe read my recaps from time to time? Just saying.
Shannon Says: Jasper, my heart.
Also, Nyko’s, Roan’s, and Ilian’s were no fucking picnic either. But Jasper just destroyed me- it is probably the second or third worst death for me, after Lincoln (and maybe Lexa). He was just so damn broken. It hurts my heart.
Holly Says: Mr. Miller
Shit, I don’t even know. Jasper’s was heartbreaking. But Miller’s dad (I always forget his name) killed me. I I was incredibly sad, especially after Miller’s dad had given up his spot for his son in the lottery and Nathan wouldn’t stay without him, and then they left Nate on the floor and his dad was dragged away. *cries*
Gah, that was pretty sad, I agree with Holly.
The Jaha Award For Most Useless Character
Shannon Says: Echo
First, she almost kills Clarke like, 5 times just in Echoes. Then, bitch nearly kills Octavia and turns Roan against Skaikru even though she didn’t have all the info. She tries to cheat Azgeda’s way through the conclave, gets banished and nearly irradiated. Then, she nearly makes Bellamy miss the damn launch because she’s busy killing herself in the name of Azgeda. Bitch, no one cares! NOW, we will all have to witness Becho. And that, my friends, is the epitome of “useless”.
Except… it actually was, so there’s that.
Holly Says: Echo
Honestly? Echo. Hear me out. She did nothing this season except try to make it harder for everyone to come together. She almost ruined her clan’s chances of surviving. She did nothing in that final episode. And like, I understood her grief and her desire to not go to space, but she still was quite useless for everything. (I really don’t hate her character, I promise; she’s an interesting antagonist).
Shannon Says: Great minds really do think alike- we did not see each other’s answers until I typed this up!
Season 4 Warrior Princess
Shannon Says: Octavia
O, of course! She singlehandedly created Wonkru. Need I say more?
Holly Says: Octavia
Obvs Octavia. I mean, did you see her in the conclave? I know she hid for awhile, but she fought. She kept the King safe, she came back from a fall to her death to warn everyone that war was imminent, and she saved the Sky people + all the Grounder clans at the end. WARRIOR PRINCESS OF MY HEART.
Season 4 MVP
Shannon Says: Raven & Clarke.
Straight up, one would not have succeeded without the other. They both saved everyone time and time again. If I am being completely honest, I’d put Bellamy and Monty in there too. And O. And like… everyone, okay? I love everyone, but since I made up the damn question I had to answer it.
Holly Says: Clarke and Raven
Clarke. She sacrificed her life (even though she’d had nightblood, she didn’t think it would work) to get the others to space. She has always sacrificed, without like anyone even realizing how much, which is bullshit, tbh. But also Raven and her gorgeous brain got them out of there, so I think the two should be tied for MVP.
Shannon Says: Starting to get low key creeped out by Holly and my eerily similar answers. 😳
Most Shocking Moment
Shannon Says: The second culling
I in no way saw that coming. At all, ever. Especially how it would be done, and how Jaha and Kane would end up doing it together. It was so sad, so epic, and I need to see flashbacks of the ramifications.
This is just the start of the heartbreaking.
Holly Says: The Deaths of Roan and Luna
WHEN ROAN AND LUNA BOTH DIED IN THE CONCLAVE. I kept trying to figure out how at least Roan would survive, but then the writers were like, lol no everyone is going to die except Octavia. Still hurts. I liked them both a lot.
Shannon Says: I agree, I did not see that shit coming.
Most Predictable Moment
Shannon Says: When Roan woke up right before Echo beheaded Clarke?
If I am being honest, a lot of Echoes was a wee bit convenient, but that one took the cake.
I didn’t make a GIF of that particular moment, so here, have Roan in a silly ass crown instead.
Holly Says: Clarke being left alone on Earth
Clarke staying behind. C’MON WRITERS, YOU CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. Also, there was a lot that was predictable this season, because they kept being like, “this is our last chance” and the plan was always foiled, and then something new would be tried only to not work. Over and over again. It was pretty annoying. This show can do better.
Shannon Says: Also, over spoilers everywhere. Lock it up, The CW.
Moment that Made You the Stabbiest
Shannon Says: Time Jump
I mean, I said no to time jump, not “yes please, let’s make it even longer, actually”. I am scared that it won’t be the same show, the same characters. Plus, who even likes change anyway?
Holly Says: Bellarke Separation
I WILL NEVER BE OKAY WITH THE BELLARKE SEPARATION. I DON’T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS GONNA BE LIKE AFTER SIX FUCKING YEARS APART.
Best use of music
Shannon Says: Aurora- Through the Eyes of a Child in The Chosen; Tree Adams’ score in Praimfaya
Most Fabulous Guest Star
Shannon Says: Alessandro Juliani!
When I saw his name pop up, I was a happy person. I miss Sinclair and I miss Raven having someone to lean on. I hope that Bellamy becomes that for her next season- in a non-romantic way, of course.
Can he just keep popping back in? I want to keep him.
Shannon Says: Literally everything about The Conclave
The conclave was so epic. These people love to fight, and the conclave showcased that. I also loved the idea of Gaia, as Fleimkepa, extinguishing flames. Also, The Hunger Games.
Holly Says: Roan & Luna
The one between Luna and Roan. Two of the most badass Grounders, the most skilled and deadly, going head to head. I was not surprised by Luna winning, but damn, that was an intense fight!
Least Likely to Survive Season 4 (but did anyway)
Shannon Says: Abby
I guessed she’d die at basically every single turn during season 4. And I was so, so wrong. I am glad I was, too. Because now I am really needing some Kabby babies.
Holly Says: Harper
I honestly had not expected her to last! I’m very, very happy that she’s still around, though I think her storyline this season was fucking ridiculous. The emotional stakes were not high enough because that person who died was just some rando, so I didn’t care about Harper’s issues over it.
Shannon Says: And also, she didn’t even do anything to Louis (the rando)! He was trying to rip her fucking clothes! How dare she not want to be trampled to death with him? 🙄
Least Likely to Survive Season 5
Shannon Says: Jaha, obvs.
I would never have thought so, but it seems like Isaiah’s decision, so. We just better get a lot of flashbacks, and I am also hoping for a nice redemption death for our friend Thelonious. Pretty sure it is Octavia’s turn to float him to save her people.
Holly Says: Harper and/or Emori
Yikes. I GUESS saying Jaha would kind of be a cheat because he’s about done here. I think Emori’s in danger. However, she’s a survivor, so I don’t know. Harper is ALWAYS on my list, just because there isn’t much to her character sadly. (I was hoping season 4 would change that, but WELL).
Shannon Says: Good to know that Holly is above the easy way out, whereas I am clearly not 😉
Best New Character
Shannon Says: Ilian
I feel like my choices are either Ilian or Riley, basically? Or Gaia or Madi. But honestly, I haven’t seen enough of Gaia to make a decision, and same with Madi. I guess I could go with Five Year Old Dad? 🤔 In seriousness, Ilian grew on me, and I liked that even his more ridiculous decisions were really quite in line with his personality. And at the end? I adored him.
Holly Says: Ilian
I liked Ilian! We didn’t get to know him super well, but I appreciated his character, even when I wanted to stab him for destroying Arkadia. He brought some, I don’t know, light into this show in a really dark time. He was so angry and full of grief, but he was also really hopeful and courageous.
Shannon Says: If you need me, I’ll be crying in a corner over Jonty.
Monty and Jasper’s friendship provided so much levity in an otherwise depressing as hell situation. Their love and camaraderie transcended the Ark, Earth, City of Light, and basically everywhere. They were family. They are family. And I think losing this friendship will hurt more than we know right now.
Holly Says: Bravenlarke & Murven
BRAVENLARKE. These three have been tied together for SO long and I love everything about their friendship. OT3. <3 Also Raven/Murphy. I know Shannon wants them to at least angry bang, but I’m pretty cool with them staying friends forever. They have, despite what happened in the past, become allies and Murphy kind of kept her grounded this season. I’m looking forward to seeing how relationships have grown and changed after 6 years.
Shannon Says: I really do need the angry sex, tbh.
Favorite Season 4 Quotes
Holly Says: I, uh, don’t pay enough attention to these. HAHAHA WHOOPS. I’m sure Shannon’s got plenty saved. 😉
Holly is right. Here, have 3874 quotes!
Becca: But with me in her brain, she’s da Vinci, Einstein, Mozart.
Sinclair: And I choose Raven Reyes over those three hacks any day and twice on Sunday.
Raven: Here’s the takeaway: You have to be willing to die to really live. I am.
Jasper: I guess they think it’s the end of the day, not…. you know, the End of Days.
Bellamy: Grounders in space. It’s an oxymoron.
Clarke: Survival’s a team sport, especially up there. It was the only choice. Only choice. Also an oxymoron by the way.
Bellamy: So is cold sweat.
The Predictions For Season Five
I know nothing. I have faith in basically zero of these.
- Becho will probably be a thing. How many space couples will still be together? I assume none?
- Octavia will have killed Jaha in some kind of redemption death. I figure, he sacrifices himself since they’re going to have to cull more people since the bunker was only supposed to last 5 years.
- Eligius will seem really bad at first. But they’re just confused because they came from space. (Sound familiar?)
- At least a few episodes will be failed attempts at reuniting. They will make me stabby.
- Some of the new Eligius people will become key characters.
- Madi will start to piss me off.
- Everyone will think that the groups that are not them are dead, which will result in some kind of shitty behavior on someone’s part.
- Indra will have a really successful bunker store, and will be low key sad when she has to leave it.
- Eligius will somehow help Clarke and Madi excavate the bunker.
- BELLAMY AND CLARKE WILL FINALLY MAKE OUT WITH EACH OTHER.
Shannon Says: I wish I agreed with Holly. But nope. Not yet.