Just a reminder, spoilers galore!!
Here we are, ready to chat! We have picked colors, so that you know who is saying what! These are just our thoughts and hopes so far for Season 4 that we chatted about during the stupid hiatus that no one asked for 😉
If you click on Erica and Holly’s pictures, they’ll take you to their blogs! If you click on mine… nothing will happen, for you are already here.
1. Best moment of Season 4 so far?
I have a top 3, of course. The first is clear: Bellarke and The List moment. Especially with Erica’s find of that clip with the music removed? Holy crap. ::insert clip here:: The second is KABBY sailing! Woooo! And the third is Jasper and Monty while Jasper is singing in the shower. It was so ridiculous that it made me chuckle. Honorable mention to Jaha being floated!
My favorite moment this season so far definitely has to be The List moment. I know Shannon mentioned it above, but boy, oh boy, that scene is just so intense and gives me all the feels. Seeing Bellarke in action is just lovely. Also, like Shannon has mentioned, the clip I found on Twitter where the music was removed. Guys, holy shit. It gave me chills and made me cry and YOU NEED TO WATCH THAT SCENE WITHOUT MUSIC ASAP. It is beautiful.
I’m going to say the same. SURPRISE. Haha. No, but really, the moment with Bellarke and Clarke and the list is one of my favorites of all the seasons. It shows how much their relationship, and how much they, have grown. It shows how well they complement each other. AND IT’S JUST SO, LIKE ERICA SAID, INTENSE ON THE FEELS. I had to watch it a few times, because of course.
2. Favorite Episode? And if you have one, least favorite! (Feel free to tell us why!)
Favorite episode is Heavy Lies the Crown. Followed quite closely by The Four Horsemen. They were both so solid. But HLC has literally everything I love about this show: The complexity of characters, romance, laughs (the only laughs, but whatever), plot connectivity, moral grey areas…. Yeah, it wins. Even though TFH has Bellarke Moment
Least favorite is The Tinder Box because why did no one just shoot Riley? And Ilian? Just stop. Both of you.
Okay, I’m kind of in a pickle. The Tinder Box is my favorite and my least favorite. The beginning (actually most of the episode) was great for me, but the end of The Tinder Box just pissed me off and made me want to yell at so many characters. Like, Shannon said, umm, shoot Riley, and shoot Ilian. No one shooting Ilian was just an obvious decision and I just don’t understand why it didn’t happen. Like c’mon. I get everyone was in shock, but, like seriously. Kill him.
*looks up the episode titles because I never remember them* I’m going to say The Four Horsemen, and not just because of the Bellarke moment. It’s been my fave of the episodes so far! Least favorite, hmm. Honestly, it’s a tie between the last two episodes, A Lie Guarded and The Tinder Box. I enjoyed them, of course. But they seemed super weak in comparison to how the season started. I feel like the show always has these shaky episodes in the middle, so I’m sure things’ll pick up.
3. Character you are liking more than you thought you would?
JAHA. I am loving Season 4 Jaha! I know, I know, I forgive too easily, but he is not only being humble, but he is being helpful, and deferring to everyone else, and just like… being wise. I like Wise Old Jaha. And he was a good sport about being floated. So there’s that. And he seems genuinely remorseful.
Hmm, this is a tough question. Okay. I don’t exactly “like” Jaha, but he definitely is someone I am growing towards with every episode passing. I was going to say Monty but I have loved him from the beginning of the show so, I don’t think that counts. I just keep loving him more and more. But Jaha would be someone who is starting to grow on me even though I thought I would continue to hate him throughout this whole entire season series.
I don’t want to say Jaha because Erica and Shannon have too, and it’s like we all have one mind when it comes to this show, BUUUUUT damn it if the writers haven’t made him so interesting right now. I wanted him to be D E A D after season 3’s finale, but I’m so curious where they’re taking his character arc at the moment. I still don’t like him, but we’ll see. This show has tended to make me like characters I swore I wouldn’t (Kane, Murphy, Lexa), so let’s just say I wouldn’t be surprised if by the end of it, I’m saying “omg don’t kill Jaha I love him.”
4. Character who needs to succumb to radiation/O’s sword/a two-headed deer stampede immediately?
RILEY. How many times to I have to beg for Riley to go away? I felt bad for him for about 10 minutes, but that is over. And when I realized how this whole arc was set up FOR BRYAN (I am rewatching, and it is abundantly clear in hindsight that this was supposed to be Bryan, and to be a great storyline for his and Miller’s relationship, too), I get even more stabby. DIE, RILEY.
Echo. I just cannot stand her. She thinks she’s all high and mighty and like, girl, you aren’t. One, you thought you were tough shit for “killing” O, and lookie there, you didn’t kill her cause YOU SUCK. They also better not try to force an Echo/Bellamy relationship because I will riot.
FUCKING ECHO. GET HER OUT OF HERE ALREADY. I know they’ve made her into like the villain of this season (and I like villains/antagonists so I do want to see what they do with her character), and she’ll be around for awhile, but omg I want her gone. And after what she did to Octavia… I’m 100% done with her. The only thing I’m happy about is that I’m pretty sure Bellamy now will *never* see her as anything other than the person who tried to kill his baby sister. #thatshipisdeadletitsink
I also want Riley to go die in a hole. I KNOW these characters are here for conflict, and it would be a boring show without the tension and such that they bring to it, but man, I hate them both.
I do want Echo gone too. This is a good call. I just might not want her gone *as* much as I want Riley gone? Which is less a commentary on my hate for Echo, and more a commentary on how stabby Riley’s sheer existence makes me.
5. Ship you want to seee! (Other than Bellarke, obviously.)
I have mentioned Milian a time or two, yes? I mean, if Bryan has to go, and he does (for multiple reasons, IMO), Miller really needs someone. And Ilian needs a better plot. And I just like the idea of a romance with Miller showing Ilian how wrong he is about Skaikru.
And if someone forces a relationship on Octavia ever, maybe we can get her and Niylah together? I love their interactions. Even if they just stay friends, can we please have more of them? Lots more? Great.
And I am never giving up on Rasper. Damn it.
Hmm, I would totally be cool with…gosh, I don’t know. Maybe no one. I want Raven to be with someone, but then again, I don’t because I love her being an independent woman. She’s bad ass and I guess I just want more Raven and her amazing self. I ship that. OR maybe I ship her and Luna…(maybe?).
I SHIP RAVEN AND LUNA AND I WANT IT TO HAPPEN SO BADLY. That episode where ALIE’s flying machines tried to kill the expedition group, when Luna ran away and Raven convinced her to stay and help, was what planted the seed in my mind and now I’m determined to see the ship set sail.
I think that’s the only one so far, too. Of course I want Bellarke, but that won’t happen until next season (I hope!), so I’m just pinning all my shippy feels on Runa. And it’s funny bc I also had a crackship of Roan/Raven before season 4 started, SO I WILL KINDA JUST BE HAPPY WITH WHATEVER SO LONG AS RAVEN GETS HER DESERVED HAPPINESS.
Still no Rasper fans? No one?
You will never get me to cross to the dark side, Shannon.
6. Predict a death! Yes it hurts, but you know you want to.
Sorry, Abby. Now that Clarke has gone from First Aid Certification to full-blown Trauma Surgeon, there is no need for you to be around. Kabby has sailed, Jackson is backup doc, and it will devastate the absolute fuck out of Clarke. And truly, I don’t think there is any way that both she AND Raven will survive the EMP. And I think Abby is the more likely casualty. Plus, we haven’t lost a main adult yet so… yeah. It’s sad.
Oh, and Bryan, since he’s on that other show. And my fingers are always crossed for Riley’s demise 🤗
I’m scared for my love, Raven, as well as Abby. Though I’m not really scared over Abby. I would be able to deal with her death, but I wouldn’t be able to deal with Raven’s. I hope we get more of Abby and Kane because they give me life and I need more of them before she passes away, which I’m sure will be happening this season (see Shannon’s reasoning above).
Raven…I just think she has been through so much and has survived it all…I feel like the next thing she goes through will be the end for her and that just…ugh. Breaks. My. Heart.
Erica, you are hereby banned from chats. RAVEN WILL NOT DIE, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT. I don’t think they’ll kill off Riley so soon, but I’m here for Bryan dying and Miller getting it on with someone else. (I’M STILL HOLDING OUT HOPE FOR MINTY). I still think Harper is in danger. As for a death for like the next episode, GAH. I don’t think it’ll be anyone we love, but a death is sure to come for SOMEONE next episode.
If it helps, Holly, I don’t think Raven is going to die. I think somehow, she will survive. They won’t hurt her for four seasons just to kill her. It seems… rude. Too rude, even for this show. And I am all for Minty too. I also think Harper is a goner, sadly. I love her so much but… what is even the point of her right now, other than Monty drama fodder? SAD.
I also agree with you that Abby would be more likely to die than Raven. They both won’t survive, and it sucks. 🙁
7. Now that Alpha Station is gone… what next?
Oy. Why do I ask questions I can’t answer!? Is Raven really going into space? Or is the hydro-whatever the hell going to go BOOM? Then what? I mean, they have basically zero plans left so…. I am just at a loss! Especially since we have *SOBS* only 8 episodes left this season.
Oh! I have one more, that I came up with after discussing The Tinder Box with Greg @ Book Haven! I think Cult Soup Bunker may be back in play, somehow. Otherwise that was quite a useless exercise in futility, yes? I mean, couldn’t they reinforce the structure and ummm… clean it up? 🤔
Shannon, stop with all these hard questions… I DON’T KNOW. I’m just some crazed fan and I can’t handle what is going to happen next so I try not to think of it much because I know I’ll break in so many ways….so many different times and I’M NOT READY.
I just read over Shannon’s answer and OMG…8 episodes left and I’m like…no. I need more Bellamy in my life and I can’t handle a year long wait to find out what happens next. Gosh, I’m getting ahead of myself. I just hope that they find a way to get through this without having to ax out anyone else… I can’t deal with any more losses.
But Erica, just think- at least we get a SEASON FIVE!!! 🤗
Oh, such a hard question. I DON’T KNOW, I’M NOT GOOD AT THIS PREDICTING STUFF EITHER. I still say they can use that doomsday bunker. I’m sure with all their genius brains combined, they’d be able to figure out a way to fix it. Otherwise, what ARE they going to do? They’ve got Luna’s blood and are gonna try to replicate it, but I worry they won’t do it in time.
Oh hey! What about Luna’s RIG!? Speaking of Luna. Any chance that could be a solution? I mean, obviously they should skip the fish dinners, but otherwise…?
I doubt the rig would be a viable solution. The radiation already reached it. And Luna’s blood is basically all they have right now, so I don’t know. Everything seems to just go WRONG in this show. I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING. I JUST WANT ALL MY FAVES TO SURVIVE.
Yeah but remember what Abby said- they had no external radiation symptoms- it was just from eating the fish! So… Idk? Still though, they’d have been outside too, not just inside. I quit, I am just going to go sing in the shower and drink like Jasper. Is Monty back with the weed yet?
Maybe they could use the rig! OOOOOR what about somewhere that isn’t post-apocalyptic US? Why would they show the pyramids of Giza (which I’m like 100% sure is what we saw at the end of episode 1), if it’s not important? I just want to see more of the rest of the world, tbh. Haha.